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matthews. he sings like an angel, rit? >> he's heading to l.a. >> if i were to cast a young handsome star, i'd go for thomas matthews, wouldn't you? >> i would, but i think we're biassed on that. >> not at all. >> thomas matthews is coming your way. thank you, kathy. my dream girl for 30-some years now. that's hardball. look at her. gorgeous as they say in new york. that's hardball for now. countdown with keith olbermann starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? how bad is the new house gop rule on spending? unions hate it, and so does the u.s. chamber of commerce. bonus babies. record profits, massive bonuses in the best quarter ever still can't keep those on wall street from whining about the administration scoring political
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points at their expense. forgive us for not wanting to buy him a drink after getting punched in the eye. fighting dirty with don't ask don't tell all but officially repealed, some on the right won't give up. they claim showers with homosexuals might make straight service men uncomfortable. congressman frank? >> showering with a homosexual? what's wrong with that? >> snow excuses. with emergency services compromised, mass transit is still a mess, and some areas still buried. anger with the mayor and the the city's response is piling high. >> i'm angry, too. >> the governor across the river still at disneyworld. they'll take manhattan. the latest right-wing fear-based attack on the president. he'll give the city back to native-americans. imperial forces. the empire strikes back selected by the library of congress to be
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placed in the national film registry. and joining luke and the gang to be preserved for all time? all the the news and commentary now on "countdown." this is wednesday, december 29th. 678 days until the 2012 presidential election. the gop loved to pretend that unless president obama gave tax cuts to the rich, uncertainty would take hold of the struggling economy. in our fifth story, the the new congress is already creating real uncertainty in sectors that matter to economic growth and to those most in need, and that congress hasn't even begun. that plus the wall street bonus babies. first, a new spending rule proposed by the incoming hois republican leadership will seriously threaten vital transportation funding.
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that, according to both the u.s. chamber of commerce and contractors and unions like the laborers international union. you heard that right. businesses and labor actually agreeing on something. in fact, the joint letter to the gop leadership says that the rule change could, quote, make annual federal highway and transit investments subject to the whims of the appropriations process. a chamber of commerce director added, quote, the only thing that's propping up the construction industry is the notion that there is stable funding. if you make this change now, you're insernlts to the construction industry and that's bad for near term economic job and in the chamber's view bad for long-term economic growth. there's the problem of the continuing resolution or cr. that is what republicans insisted on passing in the lame duck session instead of an actual budget for 2012. the cr extends funding for fiscal year 2011, and as a
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practical matter that means across the board cuts with no regards for merits and worth. some include food pantries, homeless shelters, elderly care, head start childhood education programs and, again, the uncertainty principle. federal agencies are prohibited from funding certain programs until the 2011 budget is approved. nor can they even plan for the near or long-term future because of that uncertainty that's created. a united way executive says, quote, this ended up being the worst of all worlds for us. the united way worldwide administers a federal program for food pantries and shelters. people in desperate need are not going to get it because of the way this is done. that's not the full extent of the problem. the cr also holding up grants for the department of homeland security. 4 $1/2 billion that would have gone to port security and railroad security and into local law enforcement efforts responding to terror threats.
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even some republicans are explaining about the cr, like the ranking republican on the senate appropriations committee, senator ted cochran of mississippi. he called the resolution an inefficient mechanism that would con strain the defense department and other agencies carrying out their missions. let's bring in "washington post" associate editor, pulitzer prizewinning columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson also author of "disintegration." good evening. this new rule proposed by the gom that would affect transportation projects, it's so bad it's drawing the ire of business and labor. >> right. this is common ground that everyone can agree on. it's really a mess. it does throw this uncertainty into these highway projects that
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are quite important not just to labor but obviously to business as well. as you and i both know, the u.s. chamber of commerce might be opposed to some kinds of federal assistance, but the federal assistance we call corporate welfare they're not at all opposed to. in fact, they're in favor of it. this is something that unusually labor and business can both agree on that congress by booting this thing over did -- is doing a bad job. they're doing a bad job with this transportation rule. >> it's actually got the gop leadership a little bit defensive. they sent an e-mail to the hill sort of defending this proposal saying it's meant to ensure the highway trust fund will not spend more money than it takes in. is it really that simple? >> no, it's never that simple. first of all, if you look at actual rule, it's not simple at all. it reads like gobbledy boguck.
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when you move the lever it's like a contraption and all sorts of things happen that you may or may not intend. so, no, it's not a simple matter of saying, well, gee, we have this much in the trust fund, therefore, we will only fund this much. in fact, these are long-term projects that have to have secure sources of funding, otherwise, there's no point in starting them. it's insanity to start to rebuild a bridge and then not be sure you have the money to finish the bridge. >> right. so, you know, this is sort of a twofer for the republicans, isn't it? in one way it freezes a lot of spending and planning, and then they have the opportunity to actually make cuts when they pass the actual budget? >> yeah, yes. that could be worse. we're not quite sure. it's going to be an interesting
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dynamic, actually, in the house especially between those who understand the federal budget and who understand that you can't start a bridge and not finish it and that sort of thing, who understand the impact of continuing resolutions, who understand how complicated it is versus some of the newer members who are going to come in this with simple government cut spending. it's going to be a very interesting dynamic within the republican caucus to see if reality prevails over fantasy. >> these expected cuts and delays in funding, don't they create a wash with any stimul e stimulative effect the tax cuts have? >> they certainly mitigate whatever stimulative effect the tax cuts had. it doesn't add up, at least at this point, to a trillion dollars like the tax package but some calculations does.
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but does it mitigate the stimulus that the economy needs according to every reputable economist right now? yes, it does mitigate that. look at the transportation spending. this is -- this puts people in jobs. it puts people to work. and, you know, to the extent that it is stimulative, it's not going to be happen. >> eugene robinson of the "washington post," many thanks and happy new year. >> same to you. to the wall street whiners who after getting bailed out for nir m their misdeeds and after achieving record profits and bonuses were happy to provide politico with anonymous quotes about how much they don't like president obama. from a big banker. he whipped everyone into a frenzy against you. from another banker. it's a bunch of academic lefties down there. and from another executive of one of the big six banks upset that those banks weren't invited to a recent meeting between the president and a group of ceos,
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if they don't hate us anymore, why weren't any of us there? meanwhile, 2010 was the worst year for bank failures since 1992. not the big wall street banks but the smaller, main street ban banks. 157 bank failures in 2010, and 140 in 2009. let's turn to rolling stone contributor editor matt tabbai. bubble machi-- matt, welcome. >> thanks for having me. it's weird to see you in a tie. >> i understand. first impression of those quotes. pretty jaw-dropping, right? >> i almost had an aneurysm when i read this stuff today. it's obnoxious. it's like the american version of let them eat cake, honestly. you have to look at the business model for wall street in the deca
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decade. they serially committed every white collar crime imaginable. predatory lending, insider trading, securities fraud. they blew up the entire sbenlt economy. when obama came into office, if there was any justice in the world he would have built a brand new supermax facility on the moon and put them all in. not only did he not put anybody in jail, he instead bailed them all out. all the toxic assets they accumulated they don't fawn off on the chinese and on us in the pension funds he bought with american taxpayer money. he bailed them out and continued to bail them out. every time a bank wants to make money, they go to the fed of with worthless mortgages and they get millions for it. they have the temerity to complain to politico how they're upset with barack obama. >> the last quarter they had no days of trading. this is like the top four or
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five banks. some of the banks had no -- there were quarters last year where banks many no losing trading days. that has to do with the fact some are serially committing insider trading. they're front running the markets. they're so much public money out there, it's impossible not to make money. when you borrow money at zero and lending it out to the rest of us at market rates, you cannot lose money. >> right. we're actually paying the interest at that point, because they're buying our treasury. >> there's taking it from us and give it to them. that's the first reaction to the quote. >> then i thought about it. >> what's the second reaction? it occurs to me these type of bankers, they don't air their dirty laundry in public in this way. they don't have to it seems. >> right. this is what i call mutually beneficial propaganda. this is like -- i don't know if you're a football fan, but peyton manning when he comes to the line of scrimmage, he waves
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his arms and makes signals. it's meaningless. when the ball is hiked, it's the same two-yard run he called two minutes ago. this is meaningless. it's beneficial for wall street and barack obama to have this myth out there that obama is somehow against wall street. you know, obama gets to score points with his progressive left followers who believe that he's somehow taking on wall street, and these guys get basically -- >> not just the left. we hear this across the political spectrum. >> they put pressure on the administration to get what they want, whether it's continued bailouts or deregulation. it's a win-win for both sides. this story has been planted by somebody, but it could be either the white house or somebody in one of these banks. >> right. so quickly, president obama's replacement for larry summers, one of his chief economic adviser, good chance for wall street? >> when he came into office, he
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basically brought in more wall street friendly guys. historically it's likely that's the choice. >> i guess that's mean to wall street, right? >> timothy geithner. it's ridiculous that the notion they're actually genuinely upset is ridiculous. the notion that it's useful propaganda is more realistic. >> that sounds more like it to me. matt, contributing editor of "rolling stone" thanks for your time tonight. happy new year. >> thank so much. cpac is inviting a gay group for help. the splintering on the right over gay rights is next. ...and brains. now get a samsung focus™ for $199.99, and get one free.
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in light of the repeal of don't ask don't tell they're evidence they're easing up, but there's conservatives who won't back down on prejudices. our fourth story tonight, as republicans begin to draw in more gay and lesbian groups, the
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socially conservative wing has taken a firm stand for bigotry. last year cpac, the annual gathering of right wing organizations, invited go proud, a republican gay rights to not only attend but take part. in protest a number of groups have announced that they will not attend the event. according to family research council's senior vice president, cpac's recent attitudes represent a movement away from conservative principles. never mind that the chairman of go proud is collaborating with oklahoma republican senator tomko butom coburn and counts nor quist as an adviser.
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among their chief complaints, the provision to prohibit the creation of separate bathroom and shower facilities based on sexual orientation, which the defense department working group says would, quote, wrongly isolate and stigmatize some service members. when a reporter from the conservative cns news service went to barney frank to ask about the shower issue, frank had this to say. >> i have a question for you about the working group that secretary gates put into effect, he appointed of the defense department working group. they recommended that a straight military personnel will have to shower with homosexuals. >> showering with a homosexual? what do you think happens in gyms all over america? what do you think happens in the house of representatives? of course people shower with homosexuals. what's a silly issue. what do you think is wrong with people showering with
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homosexua homosexuals? do you think the spray makes it catching? remember, don't ask don't tell, by the way, the policy was you would be showering with homosexuals. you weren't supposed to know which was which, so there was no change in that. the notion that knowing that someone is gay or lesbian as opposed to not knowing who they are that somehow makes a difference is silly. >> let's bring in columnist and editorial director of the seattle newspaper the stranger, dan savidge. thanks for joining us tonight. a growing number of conservatives inclusive of gays and lesbians. at the same time there are groups like the center for military readiness that oppose the repeal and want there to be segregated showers for gays in the military. what's your take on this split that seems to be growing in the
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republican party? >> my take is you're making more of this split that there is. ann coulter was invited by go proud to their event. she's against marriage equality. go proud describes gay marriage rights as a states rights issue, which is what interracial marriage was. it isn't a pro gay rights organization. they're an organization that help window dress the republican party, which is still rabidly anti-gay to their core. it allows them to appeal to moderates and independents as being less bigoted in its current state. >> go proud is part of developing cpac is really more window dressing. well, let me ask you this. is there anything positive to say about the facts that they actually perceive a need to window dress? maybe not so much with the republicans, but just in general? >> yes, that's a real positive
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development. increasingly moderates, independents and younger conservatives, even younger evangelicals are over this issue, are for gay rights. you see as vice president biden said last week, gay marriage has an inneve tablet and it's a waste of resources to oppose it. the gop in washington, the people that control the levers of power are anti-gay. you have senator demint saying they shouldn't be allowed to be school teachers, and it puts him to the right of ronald reagan in the 19d 70s on gay rights and you have bigots like john mccain coming up the works in the senate. gay rights comes down to hanging by a thread in the senate, and the worst of the gop can really thwart most progressive developments for lgbt people.
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we know who is for us and against us. the gop is against us. >> do you see any advantage in moving this rights agenda forward in the fact that there's one part of conservative movement that seems to feel like it needs to window dress and another part of the movement that is angry and terrified of gay spray in the showers essential essentially? >> they're making themselves ridiculous, the anti-gay folks. they're realizing like they couldn't be baldly racist, although they had dog whistles when it comes to racism. look what they did over and over again to the obama administration since the first black president was sworn in. they drop the bigoted crazies, the people that can't dog whistle, the americans for truth four homosexuality. they're going to move away from
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those people, but they will continue to demagogue on guy rights and employ a dog whistle strategy on guy rights, an opposition to gay rights. >> you know like the way they dog whistle on racism and it's been so effective in the southern strategy over the past 30 years, i think we'll see these type of questions become an advantage for the democrats, a big advantage, and i think they're going to be too toxic for the republicans. >> i agree. i think the democrats are realizing that gay rights isn't a losing issue but a winning issue not with their own base but the future base of the republican party, which is over and past this issue. again, the majority of younger evangelical christians are for marriage equality. i don't think it will come quickly while you have gop senators like mccain tolgdzing around in the senate and will for years and years to come. >> dan savidge, syndicated
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your state is about to be hit by a blizzard. where are you going now? hello mickey mouse. fi first the sanity break and the karl rove moment of the day. the week christine i'm not a
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witch o'donnell won the primary. karl rove, not on board. >> when you have a headline in the state's leading newspaper o'donnell faces campaign debt and back tax issues, you have to deal with. you can't say go to my website. i have the answers there. >> apparently it is a problem. a person with knowledge of the investigation says federal authorities have opened a criminal probe of o'donnell to determine if the former candidate used campaign money to pay personal expenses. it has not gone to a grand jury. o'donnell who sets ate state record by raising $7.3 million in a tea party-fueled campaign this year has not commented. his campaign wizards are denying it. let's play "oddball." we begin in madrid. how many times have you watched a reporter talking to sledding and wish the reporter would join them. for me the answer is three
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times. this reporter decides to do exactly that with a slight problem. i guess wireless microphone haven't made it to spain and the cord is wrapped around her leg and boom, goes the the dynamite. the camera would be okay albeit a little cold and wet, but perhaps she should stick to summer stories from now on. we stay in spain, but move over to ebee where it's time for the annual flour fight. every year they take control of the town for one day. they, of course, use this day to pass nonsense laws such as no walking in the shade or no smoking. crazy, i know. anyone caught breaking these lies is subject to a fine or the punishment of being covered in flour. they can choose option three and sit it out. this is done in an attempt to highlight the promises made by the real council throughout the year they failed to accomplish. maybe those spaniards are onto
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something? finally to the internet where we continue with jeff foxworthy's award-winning obser observation. you use a log when the spare is in the trailer itself. it's working surprisingly well. if i didn't have a spare tire and needed to keep driving, i would be stumped. while chris christy he had rode the rides, cory booker shoveled and new jersey fumed. the snow job in politics next.
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as the northeast continues to dig out from a blanket of snow, the effects of this week's blizzard are clear. in our number three story, some of the effects are political ones. as we reported on this news hour last night, big snowfalls like this week's fuels the denial of global warming. it's obviously counterintuitive on a simplistic level to have big snowfalls on global warming. as countdown meteorologist
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explained last night, there are other factors, too. this is sunday's storm right over the northeast dropping more than two feet of snow in some regions, but then we got a high pressure system coming in from the energy-producing states, specifically pressure that emanates from countries that stand to lose money if we go green. this is known as the coke brothers, sometimes referred to and combine that way strong front of ignorance sweeping up from down south, and keep in mind on their best day you're looking at 60, 65% stupidity levels down there. you have a strong chance of thunder, and it sits right on top here and hangs there. of course, you get that country of blustery hot air out of just one radioed studio in palm beach, florida, and that gust actually controls an entire stream of republican lawmakers leading all the way up to
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washington, d.c. and creating an entire system spinning counterfactwise. keep in might not with the chilling factor on the mainstream media, it will be stupidier than it already is. back to you, sam. >> that was last night's report from sam cedar. ironically however, the heavy snowfalls caused by global warming illustrate some of the reasons you need big government. it's not because you need big government to curb the emissions, it's because heavy snowfalls remind us in immediate terms of the price we pay when we buy the old line that government is not the solution. we lose services and infrastructure. for more on that perspective, let's go to countdown traffic reporter from our eye in the sky, sam cedar. good evening. >> thanks, sam. we have a good vantage up here in the chopper, but based on the legislative traffic out of
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washington, they seem to have zero visibility down there. we've got infrastructure repair stalled in the right leg, a two-year tax cut totally blocking services from getting through the left lane. couple that with a huge 10-year tax cut pileup, un buion bustin and privatization. if you're headed towards the future, don't expect to get there anytime soon. over in jersey mass transit is snarled with progress backed up for years and a bottleneck at that tunnel that governor christy won't build. as expected anti-big government sentiment has stalled high-speed rail all along the 50-state metro area. expect 25 to 30-year delays. looking down the road, i can see a plan jackknifed right on the backs of the middle class, blocking the on ramp to a 21st century. you want to find an alternate route. sam, i can see russia from here. hey, are those wolves down
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there? i'm going to shoot me a wolf. back to you in the studio, sam. >> "countdown" traffic reporter sam cedar. thanks for that report. seems to be no snow on the ground up there. the need for big government hit home with the storm this week, especially hard for the two politicians who are the darling for the right and respected center. governor christy and new york mayor bloomberg now look more like falling to notoriety with his new no snowplow cities. new york which has handled bigger storms better is digging out three days later, some train lines still not running and some buses and ambulances still stuck in the snow. at least two people dead reportedly because emergency services were overwhelmed and could not get through unplowed streets. mayor bloomberg at least taking
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responsibility, unlike the governor who take vacation at disneyworld leaving new jersey on sunday just before snowfall shut down new jersey airports. staying on vacation while his state dug out. now, not in disneyworld tonight is tom hartman, host of the radio show and author whose most recent book is "rebooting the american dream." tom, thanks for your time tonight. happy new year. >> great to see you, sam. thank you. >> can you weigh in here on the premise that something like the blizzard provides an immediate example of an active response than what it actually? >> i think there's two pieces to this, sam. one is that it reminds americans that government is us. that when ben franklin developed the first fire department or the first public library, the first public utilities, that we're in this altogether. it's a we society, not a me
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society, and it has been since the founding of the country. it wakes people up to that. that's why it's so politically toxic whether politicians like governor christie fail to do their job or mayor bloomberg is perceived to have lost their jobs. holy cow, we want the government to do the job right. >> just to remind me, there's no part of constitution that actually says the government is responsible for, let's say, snow removal, is there? that's part of people's expectations. >> yeah. clearly, and there is -- actually, arguably there is. the common welfare is cited twice in the constitution, sam, in the preamble and in the body of the constitution. so you would think that clearing snow is part of common -- part of general welfare. it's part of the commons in general is what government was created to be responsible for.
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the road that is we travel o-the water that we drink, the air we breathe. we expanded it over the years. the safety of our food supply and drugs, but it's all about the commons. that really is the purpose of democracy in america. we are the government and the government is us. >> fair enough. the brits privatized heathrow airport and they say the owners focus on profits from the airport and from actually selling goods there in a mall left them blind to things like snowplows, de-icers, actually getting planes to take off from heathrow, and i believe the british government has already bought back gatwik from privatization. is there a lesson there for us? >> there's a huge lesson. this is -- this situation is thatchernomics and reaganomics
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on steroids. there should be private industry and private area. i don't want the government making my jeans or selling me my computers, and i don't think anybody in america does. on the other hand, i don't want a private corporation making sure that my public transportation facilities are operating properly, because their goal is to make it operate properly. their goal is to make a buck. at heathrow they redesigned it to drive merchandise out of there, so the company that owns it that has the nice name of the transportation authority as if it was government, it's not, this company could make more money selling products, selling junk to tourists, and therefore they didn't spend so much time paying attention to whether or not they'll get airplanes in and out safely and de-iced and what they're going to do if something like this should happen. >> tom hartman, syndicated radio host. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you, sam.
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if the right is right about the president favoring the return of new york city to its origin has been tants, the native-americans, we would support na if they brought shovels. if everybody knew what a r nerf herder is, generations to come will know about it as well. that's next.
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you think the completely made-up promise to give up manhattan to native-americans by obama would be welcomed by the right. wrong. it's about the library of congress confirming what he we all thought, the empire strikes back is cool enough to be preserved for eternity. q hmm. hm?
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see for yourself at esurance. technology when you want it. people when you don't. change deniers, a new brand of right wing conspiracy theories emerg emerged. the conservatives want you to think that president obama is planning to give manhattan island back to native-americans. it stems from a previous announcement that they will reverse the bush administration opposition to a united nations resolution supports indigenous people the world over. >> as you know in april we announced we were reviewing our position on the u.n. declarations on the rights of indigenous people. the united states is lending its support to this declaration.
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>> supporters say it serves as a guide for dealing with indigenous people including native-americans in the u.s. over at the conservative clearinghouse world net daily reporter sees a more sinister motivation. in an article entitled "obama to give manhattan back to native-americans" he said it could accomplish something as radical as relinquishing some u.s. sovr rin knit and opening a pat for the return of ancient tribal lands to naib americans. the basis states indigenous has the right to lands and territories and resources they have owned occupied or otherwise used or acquired. could it be, is it possible native-americans loving barack obama is poised to pull off the biggest government land grab since the louisiana purchase? that theory is complicated by
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one thing. the resolution is nonbinding agreement. like all u.n. resolutions, it cannot be adopted into law. that's not good enough for world net daily founder and editor joseph farra who thinks the honorary adoption by senator barack obama by montana's crow nation tribe in 2008 opening the door for presidential trickery. quoting him, i suspect obama himself plans to cash in on this action. yes, be suspicious of a president if he's adopted into a native-american tribe, unless it's tea party hero calvin coolidge inducted into the sioux tribe. look at all that land. the most puzzling thing is why would right wingers care if obama gave away with mant tan. with all the ground zero mosques and broadway values and liberal
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media outlets. making sure america will always remember do or do not. there is no tribe, next.
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finally tonight it's my duty to announce the american public that the bureaucratic fat cats at the library of congress have got it right. in our number one story the national film preservation board, yes, there is such a thing, has revealed among films add to the registry this year is t "the empire strikes back." no longer will "star wars" geeks present or future have to live in fear that the original version of the movie could disintegrate and be lost forever. even though they're on a 24-hour loop on the spike channel. no flipping. the national film preservation
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board adds 25 movies to tell us registry every year. its goal approximate? to preserve films that are significant and make them publicly available. also to protect orphan films, those without owners able to pay for their preservation. this 1891 thomas edison short may fall into that category. the silent film features a half naked guy swinging clubs around. a box office bust, but historically important. just look at him go. we saved you a trip. it was announced that the exorcist and airplane and saturday night fever and all the president's men would get the nod but the headline grabber was the "star wars" episode have. v.
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>> now the creators bring you the next episode in the "star wars" saga, "the empire strikes back." >> to be clear that was from the trailer. we don't want to get sued by spike. wildly thought to be the best of the six "star wars" films, empire is the second to be preserved in the library of congress. the original movie "star wars" is already on a shelf in washington, and it was an especially good year for lucas films. his 1971 movie "thx-1138" was selected though the future prospect of rest of the "star wars" filmsi making the cut loos dim. fans of the 1978 "star wars" holiday special starring bea arthur and art carney have to
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watch crappy versions on youtube. joining me now is chris hardwick, writing for "wired" and host of web soup on g-4 network. happy new year. welcome. >> sam, it's nice to see you. i have not seen you in a long time. it's nice to see you helming a show right now. i'm enjoying you. >> thank you, chris. i don't want to presume, but what is your reaction to empire's induction into the library of congress? give me a sense of how all or most nerd americans take the news. >> my gut reaction would be full double-rainbow. that means good. of course, empire should be -- of course it should be in the library of congress. it's the best of all of the six movies. "star wars" could have been a fluke, but "empire" showed tlus
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there was a story to follow. we found out that darth vader is luke's father and is still not dead, we met yoda. it was a gorgeous movie, and i respect the library of congress for giving the nod to nerd america. >> so let me ask you this. at the ti fell non-nerd america why t"the empire strikes back" should have gone in the registry before the first "star wars." >> it's a better movie. it changed the way we watch space epic films, but "empire" was a solid story and was gorgeous to look although. there was real drama and wonderful interaction with the characters. we saw luke's struggle. that's weird. all the girls are running out of the room. it really was a phenomenal -- it was a phenomenal movie. i probably would have put it before "star wars," but since "star wars" was the first one
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that got the ball rolling, i can understand why they adopted that one at the library of congress first. >> let me ask you this. this is probably the ultimate nerd question. which version of "empire" should be preserved? the regular, normal version, or the 3d version? >> i'm so sick of people putting the number 3 and the letter d together like it means something. 3d technology is not that exciting yet. it's a ploy to get money from consumers. because the original was the one people flocked to in 1980, that should go in the archives. not the 3d version. >> let me ask you this. how will george lucas turn this into cash? >> he will either offer them a technology to preserve film, or he will buy the library of congress and have it moved to skywalker ranch and charge admission to it or somethin
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